Can you add shock and clarifier at the same time

Owning a swimming pool results in a list of daily, weekly and monthly tasks that need to be tended to keep the water safe, clean and fresh.  Ignoring these basic duties can result in dangerous, dirty water and damage your swimming pool components.  You’ll need to take regular measurements of a variety of levels in the water and add the proper chemicals to get these levels back in balance.  But when it comes to the additives, can you add pool chemicals at the same time?  The fact is that there’s a favoured order when it comes to adding pool chemicals.  In this article, we’ll detail this order as well as some other factors to keep in mind while maintaining your swimming pool water quality.

pH Levels

pH levels and total alkalinity are the two most important levels to keep an eye on when testing the water of your swimming pool.  The ideal pH level for your swimming pool water is between 7.2 and 7.6.  Readings below 7 are considered acidic and readings above 8 are considered alkaline.  Maintaining levels between 7.2 and 7.6 allows chlorine to be effective.  If the pH is too low it could cause corrosion of metal pool components, damage to the plaster, grout or pool liner, irritation of the skin and eyes and a breakdown of total alkalinity.  If the pH is too high you could see algae growth, scaling and calcium deposits, cloudy water and irritation of the skin and eyes. 

Total Alkalinity

Total alkalinity measures the amount of alkaline substances in the pool water which is a factor in how easily the pH levels are changed.  When total alkalinity peaks, it can be virtually impossible to adjust the pH level.  If the total alkalinity is too high algae has a tendency to grow, pH levels become hard to adjust, the skin and eyes can become irritated and the water will become cloudy.  If total alkalinity is low, your pH levels will be erratic and hard to control.  Low total alkalinity can also result in corrosion of metal components, etching of plaster and grout, irritation of the skin and eyes and greenish coloured water.  

The Orderly Addition of Chemicals

Chemicals that affect the levels of pH and alkalinity need to be added to the swimming pool first.  Getting the pH and total alkalinity sorted out will allow for the addition of further chemicals that affect the hardness and cleanliness of the water.  If you find your pH and total alkalinity levels are too low, you’ll need to add pH increaser to bump up the pH.  If both the pH and total alkalinity levels are too high, you’ll need to add pH reducer.  Once you get your pH levels between 7.2 and 7.5 and your total alkalinity between 60 and 120 ppm you can move on to working on the calcium hardness and chlorine levels.

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Welcome back, pool students! Dr. Pool here. Our lecture today is about bad pool chemical combinations.

There are a handful of water balance scenarios that can result in unfortunate side effects. In addition, there are some pool chemicals that should never be mixed or added to the pool at the same time. Once we’ve addressed those scenarios, we’ll close with a brief discussion on best chemical safety practices to prevent accidents.

Let’s dive in, shall we?

Bad Water Balance Combinations

High pH + High Calcium Hardness

This is a recipe for scaling and cloudy water. Can form scale film on pool surfaces and pipes, and can may even form sharp crystallized nodules of calcium that can snag swimsuits and scratch skin.

High pH + Low Chlorine

Perfect conditions for cloudy water and algae. Algae prefers a high pH level, and is just waiting for a low chlorine opportunity to bloom.

Low pH + Low Total Alkalinity

Will cause etching and corrosion to steel, copper, rubber, vinyl, and plaster surfaces. Acidic water wastes no time in corroding pool surfaces and equipment.

Low pH + High Total Alkalinity

Same as above, only it becomes harder to raise pH, due to the buffering effect of a high Total Alkalinity. You can find more in our blog about the relationship between pool pH and Total Alkalinity and how to fix balance issues.

Low Chlorine + Low Stabilizer

Low stabilizer can cause chlorine to be more quickly destroyed by the sun, which can compound the problem of low sanitizer levels. Hazy, to cloudy, to green is the usual progression of water in this condition. If you look at your pool carefully every day, you’ll know just by looking at it when chlorine is low.

High Chlorine + High Stabilizer

This can damage soft and shiny surfaces over years of very high chlorine levels (5-10 ppm). Stabilizer (Cyanuric Acid) levels over 100 ppm can cause problems in chlorine potency, and chlorine testing becomes unreliable.

High Combined Chlorine

Chloramines are chlorine molecules that have joined with ammonia or nitrogen. No longer an active sanitizer, they cause red eyes and smelly pools. You can find chloramine levels by subtracting Free Available Chlorine from your Total Available Chlorine reading (TAC-FAC=CC). When chloramine levels exceed 0.3 ppm, shock the pool.

Low Calcium Hardness

Creates a corrosive water condition, which causes etching and leaching of calcium from plaster or tile grout. Low Calcium Hardness is also bad for vinyl liners when the water is too soft. It can hinder overall water balance and chemical effectiveness, too.

High Phosphates

Phosphates enter the pool from many sources, and are a favorite food source for algae. When a phosphate test exceeds 300 ppb (parts per billion), address levels with a phosphate remover.

Bad Pool Chemical Combinations

Raw Chemical Interactions

Never allow pool chemicals to contact each other. Go back and read that sentence again. Harmful reactions may happen, even outside of the pool. Chlorine mixed with any other chemical or foreign substance can emit toxic gases, erupt in flames, explode, or all of the above. Always store chemicals in properly sealed containers in an area that’s cool, dry, well ventilated, and secure.

Chlorine Shock + Algaecide

Chlorine shock will disrupt the polymer chains and chemical compounds used in many pool algaecides. In most cases, pool shock will completely destroy the algaecide. When necessary, use pool shock to kill algae, then wait to add algaecide until after the chlorine level has returned to normal. When adding algaecide, be careful not to overdose it, or you may end up with surface stains and foamy water, depending on which type of algaecide you use.

Chlorine Shock + Enzymes

Again, chlorine shock will break down any enzymes you put into the pool. If you’re going to use enzymes, add them after chlorine levels return to normal. Otherwise, you’re just wasting your money.

Chlorine Shock + Sequestering Agent

Chlorine shock will also disrupt stain and scale chemicals, a.k.a. chelators or sequestering agents, if they’re added at the same time. Add stain and scale chemicals either a day before or several days after you shock the pool.

Chlorine Shock + High Metals

Metals in the pool can come from a few different things, the most common being your water source or poor water balance eroding the metals in your pool. When you have high metal levels, shocking the pool can drop them out of solution and cause pool stains. Keep pH, Total Alkalinity, and Calcium Hardness within range, and add a regular treatment of a sequestering agent like Stain Away or Metal Free to keep metals in solution.

Chlorine Shock + Trichlor Tablets

NEVER pour cal-hypo or dichlor pool shock into the pool through the skimmer. This is especially true if you have an inline automatic chlorine feeder filled with stabilized chlorine tablets. The resulting reaction between trichlor tablets and your pool shock can cause a chemical fire or explosion that will destroy your pool equipment and/or cause serious injury. Always follow product label directions when adding shock to your pool, and be sure to broadcast it evenly instead of concentrating your application in one spot.

Chlorine + Muriatic Acid

When mixed, these two chemicals create a dangerous toxic gas that can be harmful or even deadly if inhaled. Carefully read and follow product label directions to prevent an adverse reaction. Never add muriatic acid to the pool when chlorine levels are high, and don’t shock the pool immediately after adding muriatic acid to the water.

Cyanuric Acid + Stabilized Chlorine

The only reason you should need to use stabilizer or conditioner, otherwise known as Cyanuric Acid (CYA), in your pool is if it’s a fresh fill, if there’s been a lot of splash-out that brought the levels too low, or if you’re using an unstabilized form of chlorine as your primary sanitizer (such as with a salt water chlorine generator). Stabilized chlorine, like the 3″ trichlor tablets in your chlorine feeder, contain a small amount of CYA in each tablet. If you’re doubling up on CYA, you’ll soon find that the levels are too high, and you’ll have an even bigger problem to deal with to bring those levels back in range. Spoiler alert: it involves partially draining and refilling your pool to dilute it.

Calcium Hardness Increaser + pH/Alkalinity Increaser

Adding a Hardness Increaser too close together with sodium carbonate (pH Increaser) or sodium bicarbonate (Alkalinity Increaser) can cause an adverse reaction. The result is often cloudy water, but it can also cause small solids to appear in the water. In addition, this reaction can accelerate scale buildup in the pool.

Clarifier + Clarifier

If you overdose a pool with clarifier, a curious phenomenon can occur. Instead of behaving as a coagulant, the electron charge can reverse, causing some formulas to behave as a dispersant. Wait 5-7 days if you have to treat the water with clarifier again, and again, always follow dosing and application instructions found on the product label.

Best Practice Pool Chemical Tips

Run the Pump

In most cases, pool chemicals should only be added to the pool when the pump is running. That said, there are a few exceptions to this rule. We’ve said it before, and we’ll say it again, always, always, ALWAYS carefully read and follow the directions on the product label before applying any chemicals to the pool.

Wear PPE

When handling chemicals, it’s important to wear personal protective equipment, including safety glasses and chemical gloves. Avoid inhaling fumes, and wear a respirator if necessary. Familiarize yourself with the safety data sheet (SDS) in case of accidental skin or eye contact, inhalation, or ingestion.

Prevent Negative Chemical Reactions – Read the Label!

Never add chemicals at the same time, whether you’re balancing the water, shocking the pool, or adding a specialty chemical. For most water balance changes, the pump needs to run on the high setting for at least four hours before you can add another chemical or retest the water. The product label will provide more accurate instructions on wait times before adding more chemicals or going swimming.

If the chemical you’re using requires dilution, always add chemicals to water. NEVER add water to the chemicals, or you’ll risk initiating a dangerous chemical reaction. Start with a clean bucket of water, and dissolve the chemicals in the water before adding it to the pool.

Don’t add anything to the water when chlorine levels are high. Some chemicals will be rendered useless, and others can start an adverse chain reaction. It’s best to wait until chlorine levels return to normal before treating your pool any further.

Storage is Key

As we mentioned earlier, storing your chemicals properly is an important part of chemical safety. Containers should be properly sealed and stored separately in a cool, dry, clean, and well-ventilated area that can be easily secured. Children and pets should not be able to access your pool chemicals.

Conclusion

When used properly according to product label directions, pool chemicals are an important part of maintaining a healthy swimming pool. If you have questions about pool chemicals and specific water balance issues, check out our blog full of water chemistry and pool care tips!

Until next time, class is adjourned. Happy swimming!

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