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Feb 4, 2011 Hello ALL, I see a picture of the part and it looks like it is just held in with 2 screws One guy in work said the bolts break pretty easy. I was planning on soaking I looked under the hood and see several switches near the throttle body. So my questions are Thanks - - Jim Joined Sep 26, 2007 · 1,601 Posts
1. No it's just two torx bolts and it comes right off. I would clean the whole throttle body while you have it off including the IAC and housing. You can find a
write-up in the FAQ section or use the search feature above lots of good tech to be had there. If replacing the TPS and cleaning the TB doesn't help I would look at the 02 sensors, IAC or CPS next. Are you sure that your basic tune-up stuff (plugs, wires, cap & rotor) are all in good working order? Joined May 25, 2010 · 73 Posts
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Feb 4, 2011 Hello robsjeepxj, To answer a few of your questions. I replaced the up and down O2 sensors within the last few weeks. I pulled the dizzy cap and look for signs of trouble like carbon tracking I do know OLD motors and this motor at times runs GREAT. Smooth, peppy, no
smoke etc. It seems to run real well at times. several of my Hot Rod friends seem to believe the internals are good. I better double check the dizzy components better. I must admit I was kind hoping that the issue was not in the dizzy. A major tune-up was done about 9,000 miles ago. I did check the play in the dizzy shaft and it seems FINE. I also did a lot of little things like checked the fuel pressure, changed the fuel filter and air cleaner. Recently when I pulled a plug it
looked good. No oil or signs of trouble. I just feel this motor runs too good at times. I did notice that there may be some weird little electrical issues going on. Thanks for the info on the TPS LAslty - I don't know IAC is or stands for. I
know/think the CPS is the crank sensor or perhaps the cam sensor. Thanks for bearing with me - GOD knows I need help here. I just wish it had a carb and points Thanks - -Jim Joined Feb 28, 2008 · 14,195 Posts
The throttle position sensor is easy to replace, just remove the plug, two bolts, and remove the sensor. To install the new one make sure the butterfly rod is engaged into the sensor when you install it, screw in the two bolts and plug it in. If I were you I would remove and clean all the grounds on the body/engine/battery. Replace any that are broken.
Missing or corroded grounds can cause lots of electrical headaches on these things. Cleaning the Idle Air Control (IAC) and the throttle body is a good suggestion also. Joined Sep 26, 2007 · 1,601 Posts
IAC stands for idle air control and what it does is well self explanatory. I would change out the TPS, clean the TB real good and see if that helps. If you have any doubt about any of the tune-up parts just replace them. As for the other issues, I would check the connections on the various switches that are giving you trouble. They do get corroded
sometimes and need cleaning, I've been successful with taking apart the turn signal/high beam/hazard switches and cleaning the contracts and getting them to work again but unless your good with small parts and electrical stuff you might want to just buy a new one. The plugs that go into the back of the headlight switch have been known to melt sometimes too so check that while you at it too. Joined Feb 24, 2009 · 488 Posts
Throttle body disassembled- from a 97, but should be awfully close if not identical.
TPS to the left, MAP at the top, IAC at the bottom. Ports that people talk about cleaning visible at the bottom. Joined May 25, 2010 · 73 Posts
Discussion Starter · #7 · Feb 4, 2011 Hello hubs97xj, This helps me a lot. I think I could eevn do this now. Thanks. The throttle I will clean all the parts while I am in there. Thank you so much and to all the rsponders. I really feel the
Jeep will run right again Thanks t so many Be well - -be warm - - Jim (P.Dad) Joined Sep 26, 2007 · 1,601 Posts
You need to take IAC apart from it's housing (the aluminum part with 4 screws that IAC actually bolts to) too to really clean it properly. Clean the inside till you see nothing but bright shiny aluminum especially where the plunger seats, TB cleaner and an old toothbrush works really well for this. Some of the bolts on there maybe tamperproof torx so
you'll need to get sockets for that as well if you don't have them already. Joined May 25, 2010 · 73 Posts
Discussion Starter · #9 · Feb 6, 2011 Hello robsjeepxj, The weather STINKS - -snow, rain, ice mush etc. We have about 25 inches on the ground and the last 2 storms have been 4-5 inches of snow followed by Then I had to change a tire on our son's car. The tire
was flat and the car was stuck in ice - NOT PRETTY - -but I guess that's what dads are for. So I had a little time for the Jeep today. I replaced the TPS - piece of cake. NO DIFFERENCE. I did not have time to do a great job on the throttle body and didn't pull the other pieces. I must say - -the throttle body was pretty darn clean. A few hints of carbon BUT not too bad. I cleaned it up as best I could. It was raining and I was getting soaked. I put in the new part - and
started her. The car idled about 750 and sounded GREAT fro about 40 seconds - -then she started to rumble and buck. I pulled the wire off the TPS and the rpms went way up BUT very smooth. I had a couple of Hot Rod guys over and they all seem to feel strongly - -this is NOT a mechanical issue. NOthing like compression, valve etc When the Jeep runs GOOD it is like a new motor. I gotta admit I am a little frustrated. I know there is not too many things left to change and I
don't really know which to try next. I don't know - -what the MAP sensor does Crank sensor and cam sensor I know have to do with timing - -BUT I read that if one of them was bad and I forget - - then the car will not start. This starts all the time and seems like it will NEVER stall out completely. What do I try next? By the way - -I really do understand the old cars. Here is a picture of our Mach and the motor -
351C. I do all the work on it and have owned it for about 36 years. Thanks - - Jim 87.6 KB Views: 310
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OK so the TPS didn't do it. Let's start back at square one what EXACTLY are the symptoms, when does it happen, hot, cold, all the time, on the gas, off the gas, when you start it, when you turn it off, when driving, idling? Nice car by the way.:thumbsup: Joined May 25, 2010 · 73 Posts
Discussion Starter · #11 · Feb 6, 2011 Hello robsjeepxj, Sometimes the Jeep runs GREAT but for the last few months I am I start the Jeep - -starts fine. Idles for about 30 seconds and then I start to drive. The car accelerates and then it BOGS down. At that point I give it gas and it will
back-fire through what seems like the throttle body. If I don't give it gas - - she just falls kinda flat. and won't pick up. I have to get her to back-fire 3 or 4 pops and then she is fine. The Jeep will then run nice and when I get to a stop - she starts again. When she does the rough idle - I step on the gas and she back-fires like it is clearing something and then she is fine. It is starting to do this more often BUT - -sometimes it runs well. The Jeep is old and has a lot of miles BUT my thinking is that it is NOT mechanical compression valves etc I take the Jeep on the highway and she will drive hours at 65 at atbout 2000rpms - steady as can be. A little more history - when I was gonna buy this Jeep from a fellow teacher it was running like crap and I had them do a lot to get it running GREAT We installed a new dizzy and all the parts - -wires, plugs, cap etc. The Jeep DOES not smoke or show any signs of major trouble. I know motors BUT I know nothing about
newer (after 72) vehicles. So the motor is solid I think - -but this MUST be something simple BUt I sure can't figure it out. Thanks for caring and trying to help Jim Joined Sep 26, 2007 · 1,601 Posts
Interesting, I too think it's not an internal issue but more electrical maybe. Did you get any codes (check engine light) at all since you bought it? With the poor low idle I would guess IAC or a vacuum leak. Maybe a search on here of "back fire issues" might help point us in the right direction. Joined Sep 26, 2007 · 1,601 Posts
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hey im new to the fourm so i just bought my jeep and i need some help trying to figure out whats wrong with it if some one could help that would be awesome
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so i just bought my jeep and i need some help trying to figure out whats wrong with it if some one could help that would be awesome OK here's what you do. Tell us about YOUR Jeep...in a new thread. Hit "new thread". Tell your story. Welcome Joined Aug 15, 2012 · 9 Posts
i would start at the iac. remove it and clean well. also make sure its funtioning before re-instaliation What are the symptoms of a failing throttle position sensor?An unexplainable bucking and jerking in the vehicle.. Sudden idle surges.. Sudden engine stalling without any apparent reason.. Hesitation while accelerating.. Sudden surges in speed while driving on the highway.. Intermittently flashing of check engine light for no apparent reason.. Difficulties in changing gears.. How do you test the throttle position sensor on a Jeep Grand Cherokee?Using a multimeter, you can test the function of the TPS by probing the signal wire and manually manipulating the throttle. The signal wire should send around one volt with the throttle closed, and close to five when it's fully open.
Where is the throttle positioning sensor located?A throttle position sensor (TPS) is a sensor used to monitor the air intake of an engine. The sensor is usually located on the butterfly spindle/shaft, so that it can directly monitor the position of the throttle.
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